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makosi · Apr 14, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by kilkelo

That's not a scammer anymore, that's a greifer. Those people are the worst since they're willing to sacrifice their own time and money just to piss you off.

Well, he's both a scammer and a griefer. Or, to be more specific, a defrauder and griefer. To defraud is to cause deprivation by deception.

Whether people are careless and 'silly' for allowing themselves to be defrauded is irrelivent. The fact remains that somebody lied or used a means of deceit to obtain the other party's goods.

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Originally Posted by http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/rulesofconduct.php

While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. You will not report players maliciously, or cause them to be investigated without reason.

garethporlest18 · Apr 14, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

50/50 split in pugs?! hehe

Never done 50/50

What drops for you is yours. What drops for me is mine.

Yeah I hate that 50/50 crap because I'd get all the damn ectos then. Never did it that way, and my old guild leader hated it as well so we'd just duo. Some people have crap luck though and want 50/50.

Chthon · Apr 14, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked

In the past couple days have the powertraders out there noticed an increased number of scammers.

Powertraders complaining about scammers? The irony is palpable.

Tamuril elansar · Apr 14, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

bad luck if you ask me...

only fools get scammed.

HawkofStorms · Apr 14, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

The only time I every got "scamed" wasn't even really a scam.

We were doing a spider run for a guy in UW for 20k. Near the end of the run, the guy (who had not followed orders and repeatedly aggroed) said he had no interest in getting a spider and had just been "wasting our time." He didn't even have charm animal equiped.

That was kinda... odd. I mean, he gained no monetary reward from that. He didn't get anything (he didn't get a spider, he didn't pay anybody either). I got 2 ectos during the run. It wasted his time as well as ours. Technically, it wasted his time MORE then it wasted ours, since I got something out of it.

Moral of the story, people are just asses who often get a thrill out of annoying others. Stealing 800g from people via a consulate docks run isn't really worth getting excited about. It's the trill of griefing that these sickos get off on, completely independent of wheter they rip you off for 800g or 800 ecto.

Shuuda · Apr 14, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Some guy scammed 100g off me during the weekend, now I'm broke. /sob.

Malice Black · Apr 14, 2008, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Powertraders complaining about scammers? The irony is palpable.

Trading isn't scamming. If both parties agree to a price then it's just a trade. Don't be so ignorant.

OOshadeOO · Apr 14, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

well if you dont know uve been scammed have you been scammed?

bart · Apr 15, 2008, 01:25 AM // 01:25

the reasons why GW has so many scammers are:

1) Lack of GM support - In WoW if you make a report about being scammed, grievance etc, a GM will contact you within a day usually in an hour or 2 and you can tell him what happened personally. In GW... heh...

2) Max Lvl in a few hours - One can lvl a character to 20 in a few hours and start scamming people whereas on WoW it takes weeks, usually months, to lvl a character to max lvl and after all the effort most players rather not risk their characters.

3) Reputation - In WoW, your reputation on your server is vital to you whether it is trading, grouping, raiding, finding a guild etc. If you scam, have a lousy attitude etc the whole server community will know about it and that toon will be shunned. On GW, reputation doesn't matter (except for highend trades) because the community is spreaded out across 3 huge maps (ie tyria, cantha and EOTN) making it highly unlikely ppl will meet remember u.

4) Kids and adults - GW being a no-monthly-fee game skews the kids to adult ratio (guessing its 3 kids to 1 adult) and as you know kids are immature and greedy. They have not seen the world (real world) and they don't know that having friends and having good contacts will take you places. Thus they have no qualms blowing their mouth, scamming etc to get whatever they want. I'm not saying adults don't do this. I'm just saying kids don't have the experience and mental maturity to think about the consequences.

higaru · Apr 15, 2008, 09:17 AM // 09:17

solved my problems, i buy and sell on guru's auction!
no headache no lost time in town to find a real buyer or seller!

higaru · Apr 15, 2008, 09:22 AM // 09:22

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

got something out of it.

Moral of the story, people are just asses who often get a thrill out of annoying others. Stealing 800g from people via a consulate docks run isn't really worth getting excited about. It's the trill of griefing that these sickos get off on, completely independent of wheter they rip you off for 800g or 800 ecto.

i saw such runs!

/signed

MoriaOrc · Apr 15, 2008, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by bart

1) Lack of GM support - In WoW if you make a report about being scammed, grievance etc, a GM will contact you within a day usually in an hour or 2 and you can tell him what happened personally. In GW... heh...

I'd say that the bigger difference is visibility. In WoW, the GM comes to talk to you in game. Very visible/personal response. In GW you deal with it through the support site. Probably not a huge difference in work-load for the support guy, but not nearly as visible as the WoW GM. Of course, the lower visibility of GM/Support actions probably does contribute somewhat to the delinquency of certain players.

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2) Max Lvl in a few hours - One can lvl a character to 20 in a few hours and start scamming people whereas on WoW it takes weeks, usually months, to lvl a character to max lvl and after all the effort most players rather not risk their characters.

I don't know how important this is in WoW, but in GW trading with non-max-levels is nothing all that surprising. A better point would be that the biggest trade hub (Kamadan) is also the starter town for NF.

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3) Reputation - In WoW, your reputation on your server is vital to you whether it is trading, grouping, raiding, finding a guild etc. If you scam, have a lousy attitude etc the whole server community will know about it and that toon will be shunned. On GW, reputation doesn't matter (except for highend trades) because the community is spreaded out across 3 huge maps (ie tyria, cantha and EOTN) making it highly unlikely ppl will meet remember u.

Reputation might not be terribly important for puging, but within certain groups it's probably no less important then your WoW rep. High end trading, high end PvP, elite zones, all of these being known as a "good group member/trade partner" helps.

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4) Kids and adults - GW being a no-monthly-fee game skews the kids to adult ratio (guessing its 3 kids to 1 adult) and as you know kids are immature and greedy. They have not seen the world (real world) and they don't know that having friends and having good contacts will take you places. Thus they have no qualms blowing their mouth, scamming etc to get whatever they want. I'm not saying adults don't do this. I'm just saying kids don't have the experience and mental maturity to think about the consequences.

I suspect this argument is somewhat overblown in GW case. GW isn't free, you still have to pay $25-40 to get in. Sure it's a little lower of a barrier, but the most kids who can get their parents to shell out $40 for a game can probably get them to pay a monthly fee as well.

The argument holds a lot more water in the "micro-payment" type online game popular in Asia, where it really is free to get in and play.

Zahr Dalsk · Apr 15, 2008, 12:18 PM // 12:18

Having actual GMs standing around in major cities and/or points of high interest/activity/high botting areas, would do a lot to discourage scammers, spammers, griefers, rulebreakers, etc.

MithranArkanere · Apr 15, 2008, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Powertraders complaining about scammers? The irony is palpable.

Those 'powertraders' are usually as naive as the ones that buy what they sell with prices those items do not worth.

It's not their fault, they just came with mentality from other games where prices went 'boom'.

TheRaven · Apr 15, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by bart

4) Kids and adults - GW being a no-monthly-fee game skews the kids to adult ratio (guessing its 3 kids to 1 adult) and as you know kids are immature and greedy. They have not seen the world (real world) and they don't know that having friends and having good contacts will take you places. Thus they have no qualms blowing their mouth, scamming etc to get whatever they want. I'm not saying adults don't do this. I'm just saying kids don't have the experience and mental maturity to think about the consequences.

This wasn't a scammer but it backs up Bart's reasoning about kids to adults and one of the main reasons I rarely trade stuff.

I placed a green bow up for auction for 2k. (Not here, another site which I'd name but the mods would just delete my post). A kid won the auction and immediately sent me an e-mail asking for a trade. I was not online until the next morning and I contacted him ingame asking to trade.

Kid: YES! come to the armory!!! NOW!!
Me: Ok, where can I meet you?
Kid: The armory!
Me: Where? Vasburg armory? (I was in DOA at the time)
Kid: Shing Jea Armory!
Me: Ok, the monastery then?
Kid: NO!!!! THE F*** ARMORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me: I have no clue what you mean. Meet me in Kaineng Int Dis 1
Kid: i dunt no where the F**** that is. F**** off!!

time passes

Kid: Were r u?? Give me my bow!!!!!!!
Me: I will if you'll ever tell me where you are
Kid: Armorsmith at the monastery!!!! Stupid s***
Me: Fine which dis
kid: ARMORY!!!!! STUPID

I finally convinced him to meet me in international districts after a stream of even worse explicitives. He actually bought the bow and then spent the next 10 minutes sending me extremely pornographic and explicit PM's.

I put him on ignore and as a result my inbox on the auction forum filled up with explitives. (He's since been banned on that auction site). After an hour I took him off ignore and within 5 seconds got some more pm's from him. (LOL, I thought I had no life. He spent an hour trying to pm someone who had him on ignore?)

I told him he would get his account banned for harassment and got called some more colorful names as well as being told that only a complete dips*** would report someone. I said I guess I am then because I'm reporting.

He immediately started apologizing and begging me not to report. He said this was his parents account and he'd be in big trouble if it got banned. Great. Not my problem.

Sigh, how do I find these people?? Someone who flies off the handle just because he's asked which town to meet is not mature enough to be playing a MMO game let alone trading with people.

kobey · Apr 15, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

I probably report as well if I were you.

It probably do the kid more good to be banned.

Orange Milk · Apr 15, 2008, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Trading isn't scamming. If both parties agree to a price then it's just a trade. Don't be so ignorant

Happened to me, I was accused of scamming for selling a +30hp sword mod for 6k. I sold it so someone and some other guys starts PMing me calling me a scammer. He tells me those are 3k and no more and that I need to stop scamming people. I told him that if someone wants to pay me 6k they can nothing is stopping them from saying "no" to the price. He PMs me back saying I need to sell +30 sword mods for 3k from now on or he would report me for scamming. I laughed put him on ignore.

I don't PvE much except to solo farm and don't hang out in towns so I don't really know the going rate of stuff and usually have to ask friends/guildies but I in no way scammer anyone or had that intention, yet I get blammed.

dunky_g · Apr 15, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by jimme

Kinda like this? ::

He says trade doesn't work (cancel , cancel ,cancel)
-Takes me outside shows his Fake Build and asks me to do the same.
- Drops his 95k , take it back
- I drop Bone Dragon
- He uses Ebon Escape

That's what happened to me a few days ago, anyway as you can see it's almost 100% my own fault.

Right, that was pretty stupid, but Its still f**king stupid that scammers get away with things like that.

Painbringer · Apr 15, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

There are a bunch of unemployed 55 monks? Maybe they have resorted to scamming to make there living

kobey · Apr 15, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

I wonder what will happen one day when a scammer meets another scammer.

Teleports to each other's position, steals drop ... ... Trade completed